Celx-Requin 2013-07-28 06:44:57

Shit sucks, hope you feel better soon man.
Hold on when you get love, and let go when you give it!

Doomroar 2013-07-28 09:06:12

Well at least you are open to discussion now, that's good, but i am in no position to discuss the power of love, i just know the power of love in the context of something that you care so much about, that you start harboring hate towards it, so you know that if you hate it, is because a part of something that you love is probably involved somewhere around there... but other than that, i'm just apathy on flesh.

so lets talk about medal games... you can get heart breaker on The Drawing Grounds
by adding your own name plus a random number, then deleting the turn... alright that's depressing, you can also get the loner medal doing the same but without the random number, and the system itself will tell you that you cant have a game with yourself... i guess i used to be more of a medal whore before haha.

Doomroar 2013-07-28 11:26:45

haha when i wrote "apathy on flesh" i wanted to said it on the incarnated kind of sense.

In psychology when something symbolic dies, like a part of the self, the correct way to surpass the grief is to forgive and move on, creating a new self, to avoid extreme depression and violence, revenge is actually discouraged, so we get to the contradiction of "if you love it, let it go" even if that which you are abandoning was a part of yourself. And this is not even a mechanistic theory...

So what is my point here? that even the most sacred of things, the "self" that which makes us "us", can be tarnished and reformed, changed, diminished under the impunity and horrors of forgiveness, tolerance, and whatever that thing called "honorific memory" is supposed to be under the notions that you already have forgiven the offence committed against a past self, a self that is being replaced with a new one.

So in this world of expendables, disposable and recyclable things, both physical and not, what is supposed to be genuine?

Sorry man for the rambling, but i guess this is what happens when theories collide and they contradict each other.

Also i will try to pay special distrust to anyone over 30 XD hahahaha, oh the irony.

Doomroar 2013-07-28 22:30:03

you know in principle is all nice and all, but think about it, remaking yourself implies a life of inconsistency, contradiction, in some cases even hypocrisy, and that is at an internal level, now we have to coexist, live with, even love with Canadian chicks (fine it doesn't have to be Canadian but you get the idea), this life is asking too much, just living with yourself and with what life's is trowing you is already hard enough, really sociologists that take their jobs seriously must be masochist, really hardcore composed bastards, or they just posses one hell of a denial tool.

Doomroar 2013-07-29 15:59:42

Yeah the Freudian theory of personality development says that too that our egos are formed fully by the moment we turn 5, luckily im not a big fan of Freud and his sex obsessions... hahaha, oh shit if i say this on university they will burn me, hope they never find this... until the day i get more prestige to trash talk the big minds XD.

Now a telos, a goal that defines a person, i fully agree with that, which is why i disagree, with Freud, i highly doubt that a kid on his 5 even 10 or so and so, is fully aware of what he wants, so far he is still searching and acting on instinct, and goals, the goals of a life can change and with those the things that need to be done for these to be fulfilled, and there is supposed to be a thing behind all that that connects it, that thing is supposed to be changeable too... neuroscience needs to star working faster, meat machines seems more likable than this actual mess, but then again ow deed those meat machines got themselves inside that mess to begin with?

hey man feeling better already?

In another things, i'm planing to make a post on the BBS about the app, but i wonder if i should mail spam this to Tom and the others before i make the post, and someone in another page gets the idea and develops it before NG gets to know about it, since you know it would be more of a "if you see it and like it feel free to do it" type of post, and of course you name will be all over it as the original source of this idea, but don't worry i will be doing this on about 10 days from now or so, since im so lazy, to copy paste should suffice, but that would be too lazy even for me haha.

arghjustkillme 2013-07-29 16:20:55

I'm pretty bad at discourses about love and its interactions with flesh and technology. I tend to go on and on about how physical crap allows the expression and articulation of love and forget the whole time to actually be comforting. Social operations are hard because they're immaterial and lack any rigidity whatsoever. It's confusing to talk about how its confusing.

Medals? Been working forever on genocider in M:PN. I had to clear my internet history once and lost half of what I had built up before. About 2/5 there again. The biggest obstacle is that killing madness dudes for that long just gets a little boring.

Doomroar 2013-07-30 06:28:07

Astronaut is the best fucking job ever! it always was and it will always be! the moment some one stops wanting to be an astronaut something inside them dies, i know that because my 4th disguise for Halloween was that of an astronaut, with a baddass helmet and air tank, and after that... Halloween and disguises lost all meaning to me, since i never was a fan of sweets and candy all that was hollow, i touched the pinnacle of awesomeness playing make believe astronaut, and my previous disguise was as power ranger blue with a triceratops, and let me tell you triceratops are fucking cool, and power rangers even if silly were also cool, but none of that compared to being an astronaut, it was so damn neat, i cant remember any other Halloweens beside those 2, i was somewhere around 8 or so, and that was it, astronaut just powns everything, superman? batman? wolverine? spider-man? you just bring it and astronaut trashes it!
but even i give up on being an astronaut... no idea why since being an astronaut, is so damn cool! god now i am realizing i will live the rest of my life regardless of what i do as a lesser being that is not a fucking awesome astronaut! bet the only thing cooler than astronaut would be space pirate, but we are too primitive for that... and astronaut would be 2nd and the only thing they need to do is to float in space, and there awesomeness achieved.

I will give Henry a search.
Yeah i read your comment on Mattster, is great that he is considering it, even with the server issues.
No deviant art doesn't has anything like this, they have a drawing thing called DA-muro, like a lesser way inferior Photoshop wannabe, but it sucks way too much and no one uses it, other than to show how bad it is.
As far as NG goes and DA, they both would need to get dedicated servers, since DA server sucks a great deal, even more than NG's server, DA can't play flash for shit, what they have is advertisement and a marked option to buy and sell art, but i do think artist would do better cutting off the middle man that is DA, at least the ones i care for and that actually make me go to that page.
also haha this comment is more than half just me talking about how awesome astronauts are XD.

SileNt-Sam 2013-07-30 06:53:21

not sure what to say , but i came here to tell u one thing : you're awesome

SileNt-Sam 2013-07-30 08:58:39

it's not the end of the world we all fail to learn

Doomroar 2013-07-30 12:47:26

haha oh man! the spaceship of "Battle Beyond the Stars" has boobs! damn it may be an awesome movie or a total failure, there is no middle ground with designs like that.

I don't know... drones in space seems like the economic, rational, and technological thing to do, but that means less astronauts =(, we spend too much on war and drugs and too little on space development, hoarding power is always a priority over the general well being of the planet.

Yeah he has a contract with IBM to make a computer that would be able to emulate a brain, and his investigations upon neuron connections seems to be very influential.

I think they can make a mock server which wouldn't really cost much, and see how it does initially, then proceed with a dedicated server, and update it as they go, plus it would bring more attention to the art portal, the store, the page in general, and it would fix the problem that all the artist have when ones say that you cant make it here if you don't draw porn and the others that porn is not getting the credit it deserves, and they all are right, porn IS overrated, and thus doesn't needs any bust from the page, thus not getting any bust from the page, while still overshadowing the other artist that don't engage into porn, with that issue fixed, and the art portal getting an increase in visits and users, plus a more active store, the server would be able to self sustain itself, and they can even use advertisement, or even if i personally don't like the idea premium features, but this last one is for a more desperate situation that i don't thing would be necessary, also if it gets implemented to the flash portal, well damn i guess they are settled for life. Also unlike with DA-muro i don't thing that this app needs to force the users to use a determined drawing tool, since most of them already own their own programs, an others do traditional art, that's why i made the twitch.tv/YouTube reference back on Sabtastic blog, this may save lots of time and resources, since they don't have to develop a drawing program this way, and it gives lots of more freedom to the artist, it totally surpass whatever DA has now.

ha this one was more on topic but equally large, i'm getting better at this!

Doomroar 2013-07-31 00:45:56

Woa Nietzlawe is quite good on his speeches! semantics and sementics... cement, dem puns!

Na man, a change of infrastructure that would help separate adult content from the rest allowing for credit to be put where is due is exactly it, especially since is a reality that both parties are experiencing, they don't feel they are getting the most out of their uploads, and is in part thanks to that duality.

Not really interconnecting the art program itself, but the file, let me recapitulate, our ideas may differ and that is excellent:
- As an example: we have here a pixel artist who works using MS paint, this fella here is particularity good in the sense that it can work quite fast, under the spam of an hour lets say.
- So he want to do a collab, he goes to NG, logs in and opens an stream, initially the stream will show his creative posses , and there is a chat in the side he interacts with the audience, pretty normal stuff, thing about a drawing with Jazza live-stream.that in and of itself is already interesting, anyway.
- Then his partner connects to the stream, a second screen appears showing the 2nd artist area, this guy is a traditional artist meaning that he doesn't work with Software to make his art, but he does publish it digitally, so of course this guy would need a camera that connects from his work space to his PC which is making the stream, so far this is still nothing new is just 2 streams with 1 chat...
- So the 1st guy finish his pixel art, it can be whatever, and sends the file using the NG app, this will then convert the file in a variety of format, is possible the most common would be .PNG, and send it to the PC of the 2nd guy, again nothing new here we can do that with E-mails, chats, etc, and there are plenty of conversion programs out there.
- The 2nd guy receives the file, all of this is on real time, so now he goes an prints it, and works on it, then scans, and sends the file again, every time the file pass by the NG app, this makes a copy to have a contrast of the changes in the file, which can be seen on the stream.
- Now what if there is a 3rd guy, not a traditional artist but a digital artist too, instead of MS paint he uses Gimp, well no problems, because, the app would do the adaptation in real time, and it would be even faster than with the traditional artist.
- All of this while there is an audience watching.

Doomroar 2013-07-31 01:21:55

Continuation:
Ok so here is when things start, on ms. Sabtastic post, i postulated the idea of how this can be used to relieve stress from the artist, being it that there is an audience watching them work, while still entertaining the users, and i believe i got myself out of that just fine.

So now we have this, that other than a streaming server, chat, file sharing, conversion service, the server itself, a community, and store, all the other services are running by the artist expenses, and even if there is already decent drawing freeware, NG hasn't made anything his own, well that may be, but lets say they start with this, and then they develop their own drawing software like in "The Drawing Grounds", and this will of course be implemented to the aforementioned system, well that would be great, but lets face it, not only would take forever to make, it would be expensive, and it has a high risk of ending like that garbage of DA-muro, but why? simple because even if it works just as fine as Photoshop, there wouldn't be any artist familiar enough with the program to get the best out of it, so it would take even more time to start making it shine, and i know that in the "The Drawing Grounds" there are quite splendid works, all the more for such a simple program compared to others, but the most complex a thing the harder, this is a reality which i would like to avoid, that no one uses the app because it forces the users to work with a tool that may not give them what they want or makes them uncomfortable, for example i find it hard to draw in the The Drawing Grounds just because i cant zoom in, unlike MS Paint, but the good thing is: that one isn't an app featured in the page, is not live at all, etc.

So for what we are scheming to propose, we need the artist to feel comfortable, and what is more comfortable than to use the medium of your trade?
so in short i think this can be made, without too much expenses by the NG team, and without a dedicated Drawing software, but it would need a conversion one.
what else? just spread the word that NG has the service, and people will flock to it, think about the Shadman and Zone-sama making a live collab? i myself wouldn't watch it, but i have to be retarded if i don't acknowledge that people will love to see those perverts working together live XD.

Doomroar 2013-07-31 01:40:49

part 3 of this madness!
*uhum clears throat* still with me Mr. Vicarious? fine.

So now to make a program that allows 2 or more users to work in a piece of art, at the same time, but not by turns, but in real time... that is the other way i can interpret this idea, that is also a great idea, a little bit more complex, and it would either be developed by its own drawing software, or by a software that allows an user from one PC to intervene in the OS of another, being so that he is working from his PC but with the resources of the other one, pretty much like hacking, that idea will get someone in jail XD, and it would ask for both artist to know how to work with each other software, so lets stick with either sharing the file which would mean the existence of turns even if the delay is minimum, or using a NG drawing app, mmh, yeah this version is more complex, not only needs the artist to be comfortable with the tool itself, they also need to know how to make a nice thing while working on it at the same time, yeah it gets more to a problem of the artist themselves, how fast and well they can adapt to the software and how good they can work with each other at the same time in the same space, the 1st issue can be worked by the developers themselves, it would take time and resources but it can be done, the server would be a more powerful one too, as for the second one well that would depend entirely in the artist, unless an study to see what makes the synergy between them fail is done, such a thing would take even more time, and probably skills and knowledge that is not related to the NG staff, all the more seeing how in cooperative multiplayer games we can observe these sort of things, think about Dota 2 a game which both Jazza and i myself love, it requires a lot of team play, and still you see the most awesome fails, and that is game with team cooperation at its core.

so that is what is in my mind as far as this goes, what are your thoughts Mr. Vicarious? are we even thinking the same thing XD? or did i bastardized and transmuted your idea? haha, i think i gave this too much thought and now am losing the thread.

Christopher 2013-08-02 18:06:48

Aventador, and yeah I already voted on the top 10

S3C 2013-08-04 14:21:14

cryptic shit-posting? nah, not at all man, you are def. one of the top blog posters-commenters on NG. although nietzlawe made a shit post below (literally).

Tony-DarkGrave 2013-08-05 08:17:56

you bastard I thought we had a connection! talkin computer builds and nerdy stuff.

GristlyBear 2013-08-05 10:23:28

Holy, are you on every front page post? :D

GristlyBear 2013-08-05 12:16:37

Heh, I realized my post was kind of ambiguous after I hit submit.

I was referring to front page posts though, I don't actually check/read them frequently, but I think the last 4 or so I saw had a comment from you, so obviously if 100% of the front page posts I've seen had a comment from you, it means you've commented on all of them!

Doomroar 2013-08-05 13:21:14

Gasp is a cat! doesn't matter dogs are better they even taste better Koreans and Chinese alike agree that dogs taste better, thus dog wins even in that, a best friend that you can eat if things get awfully bad, like a giant meteor or a solar burst...

Well my idea was less revolutionary, not really a plug in between programs, but a file converter that ultimately what would be doing is preserving the details of the drawings beyond what a .JPG or .PNG offers, whit the possibility of saving layers if there are, now i don't know how hard would be to get a better functional format than a .PNG.
Now security... yeah im somehow ashamed because in my excitement i didn't even bother to factor human nature in all of this, yeah i guess people will try to sabotage and desecrate whatever they find interesting enough to hack into.

Is not like it is a secret, but i guess i have a fear to internet forums, not really a phobia, but if i participate i may like it a little bit too much, and just like a drug, i will end creating an addiction to myself, and i don't know if i have the time to fall into addictions beyond gaming, art and comics.

Yeah, the formats update for the site were great, the hmtl5 and mp4 really helped (even if i miss the loading bars XD), and the mobile options would make want to buy a more decent phone haha, so yeah pretty please Mr. Vicarious bend their ears into this idea the moment you see them all together or individually, like an assassin that collects the ears of his victims!

Also Japaneses to date, still conserve the ground toilets, and they argue that it has health benefits... it must, since they still have those things or they are just a bunch of perverts, but a thing is a fact here, they all get to live over 90 and 100 years of age, excrete your way to longevity!

Innudation 2013-08-06 20:49:59

You go shooting? Off topic but..