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VicariousE
Wanted to be a simple man of the Earth, enjoying art and literature, the bounty of the Earth. Instead, I have to fend against governments and principalities, global conspiracies and bad social engineering, ree, my autism

Age 51, Male/Penis

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But inst it kind of irresponsible to leave all our mess to be solved by the planet itself?

When it comes to corporate animal and plant manufacturing, I don't see any alternative, other than to toss the dirt around and let the sun hit it for a few years....

Animal farms need to be dug up and composted for many years. Either way, it's nasty |: Maybe check the bacteria and chem levels every other year. We're talking about millions of acres that have been spoiled by chemical/petroleum spraying, and God knows what in and around chicken/pig/cattle pens.

Some valid points, but many which are immaterial in the context of GMOs. a viral vector containing the gene of choice is inserted into the organism, methods vary but it can be as simple by injecting the gene into plant tissue with a syringe. there are no chemical hazards regarding the process in and of itself. but one cannot ignore such factors you pointed out as they are almost guaranteed to go hand in hand with the procedure. artificial hormones, and pesticides (which supposedly we would use less of) are still employed by the companies that utilize GMO technology. So while the science behind GMOs is not necessarily bad- in the end i will concede and agree with you. you are probably right in that GMO crops aren't well regulated. there are other issues that need to be prioritized (like rotation, as you mentioned), and solved not in the laboratory but first on the actual fields. conventional crops > artificially modified crops. now to fix the massive global food distribution problem...

well, i was just trying to keep this comment short, but that's not going to happen as well as planned. 1.) It's silly to make a blanket statement about GMOs, either saying they are beneficial or harmful 2.) be careful about fear-mongering, make sure claims are somewhat scientifically founded...there is too much cherry picking and misinformation going around, from both sides...hell i may be guilty of that, by no intention

are you against vaccines too?

But we can't beat viruses! <.< I used to work at a facility that worked in xenotransplantation of organs, from pig to human. It got shut down by law not long after. Pig virus, like pigs themselves, share too many bio-factors (as well as organs). We don't need no mutations... ever see the Andromeda Strain? Or Soylent Green, Zardoz (if you fancy seeing Sean Connery in a diaper with a MPL ponytail lol)

I shouldn't make blanket statements, sure. Counter-intel has been plaguing mankind for a while; always try and be careful, vet well..... But when you've seen invasive species, climate change, and GMO's first hand and all in one lifetime... God has a plan, and we need to listen and learn before we can make little changes, to a bigger fish. Not that I'm religious, just respectful of all the complexity and balance.

Oh no, I believe in vaccines, that's old tech, has a record. Just not too keen on using eggs to produce them |: Yay, let's pump an egg (that came out of a birds asshole) right into our blood supply, right after we let it sit and get all buggy for a while :p

the viruses in vaccines are usually dead/inactivated! I think foreign organ transplant is at the extreme end of the genetic engineering spectrum...the methods I was previously referring to, are tame in comparison.

So when do you personally think these form of technology will be ready, if ever? Or do you think it should forever remain isolated in labs?

Yeah, but what about the chicken laying the egg that's used to incubate the vaccine? It's been pretty good so far, but there's gotta be a better, more efficacious way :p

Will GMO's be ready for use outside? Maybe... You have to consider how much safer it is to just cross breed... look at dogs, no genetic modifications, and look at all the variety we've produced! Poor pugs tho :( there can't be many living in Mexico City or Beijing these days......

All those geologist and environmental scientist should just chillax and let the earth fix it self? come on man really? sure most corporations don't care about fixing their mistakes, but that doesn't means we should follow their example and do nothing.

Ah poor dogs, just look at chihuahuas a walking tragedy.

Plastics |:

The new hot industry should be: industrial agricultural cleaning services... there's more than a few thousand acres of chicken/pig/steer shit, oil/chemical spills, infectious buildings, poisoned wells...

Owners should fit extended filtered noses on 'em. Strap on's lol

Well yeah the dependency on the oil industry and its derivatives from plastic to gas is one of the biggest advances and one of the greatest fuck ups we ever made, but that is just all the more reason to find an alternative.

Not only the earth but the sea needs a lot, and i mean a lot of cleaning too.

Man they have too much issues, strap on noses is just the beginning XD.

Hydrogen to electric looks to be the way to go, but until they reduce manufacturing costs on the plastic film they use, it's going to be a bridge too far |: And because the material gets dirty quick, should mean you replace it, not try and scrub the fuck out of the simplest, stickiest element.

Yeah, dem nuclear subs just be sittin' Plus you got the upper mid Atlantic deadzone... ironically the Bikini islands are doing much better lol

Well i am sure we will find some way to make some good plastic that is not based on petroleum, until them, we should keep searching.

There are grades to screw ups indeed.

There's synthetic cellulose, but for the kinda juice one of those hydrogen fuel cells can belt out, I wouldn't mind milking some dead dinosaur.

Hmm, I have a new post....

what do you even mean...the dead viruses are incubated in sterile test tubes..

pugs are an example of traditional breeding that can do bad. are you against gene therapy in people, that cures certain diseases and conditions?

so i guess the take away message here is the drop in proper crop rotation, and organic garden salads are correlated with an increase in automobile cat deaths...

sry, thought we were talking about commercial bacterial vaccine production, guess I was leading... viruses are just spooky, like an otherworldly hack into our dimension.

Yeah, humans like to go overboard, hence my apprehension to the other stated matters.. Oh genetic therapy, I like! Tons can be done with that..
I like the idea of learning biochemistry to the point, where you could simulate a viral or bacterial infection, to help along the entire body's immune response and sophistication...

Ha, that's a good lols! Actually, it would be a decrease in cat deathbyauto accidents, because they'd be prowling the fields more, looking for commuting vermin... it's really a cool sight to see, like a mini safari. They're like land sharks, actually.

Yeah that is why i said a good way, if is not better than dead megafauna then is not a good way...

I hear ya... I just wish research would fund more work into nature's secrets, and not inventing or synthetically coming up with poisonous, wasteful stuff, like we have been.

*Okay, my cat's dead. Moving on to the newer post, which is almost a week old already*

Im sorry you lost your furbaby :(

I almost forgot about her. Seems like it happened years ago, thanks to the almost endless snow and cold. The other black cat pictured got run over 2 weeks ago, I can't win.

thats awful :( Im so sorry

She got hit up near the intersection, where there's no shoulder, just Obama guard rails on either side. I couldn't recover her body.