*people leave paradise
Wanted to be a simple man of the Earth, enjoying art and literature, the bounty of the Earth. Instead, I have to fend against governments and principalities, global conspiracies and bad social engineering, ree, my autism
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paradise is over-rated.. as is utopia. mild strife on an even playing field is ok, but damn, robber barons still go unchecked
Crazy that we live in a world where you can actually buy the rights to something so essential. :/ Yeah, greed's definitely killing the planet, Californa and Australia almost seem the worst off, but probably so many places you never hear about on the new news.
Mmm, hadn't heard that term before. Companies really steer the world more than ever now, a few generations back it probably seemed ludicrous you'd ever pay for water, but wouldn't surprise me if fresh air's up next. Make the world toxic enough and there'll be no natural resources that don't require some kind of commercial processing to use.
Hopefully this all changes before such time comes but then again it seems we can adapt to anything. If things don't get bad fast enough it seems like we might not realize how bad it's becoming. Small; incremental detriments.
Worse enviro calamities elsewhere fer sure, they just don't have the $/population numbers to be news-profitable... have seen 2 examples this year already
Perri-Air from Spaceballs rings a bell.... and yea, even I turned my nose up at bottled water in the 80's, thinking most americans had decent water supplies, lol
Social engineering is steered by the less than 1 percent/bankers/corps, it's bad enough they write the modern narrative... idk anymore but it's clearly a mass media/nation-state/product driven thing that is quantifiable
Mmm, any examples you might mention here? Thinking of the enormous battery acid depots somewhere in Africa, where they apparently just maul up supposed-to-be-recycled-batteries and leave them to leech toxins into nearby waters and what-not, but that's the only one that comes to mind.
Ah I didn't remember that one! XD Nothing seemed all that bad in Spaceballs but indeed, wouldn't want a future like that. We do have oxygen bars already but that seems like a different thing. Hipster commodity not to get pushed unto us all with ease.
Yeah I just wonder if everything can really all be going according to their plans at all times. With so many layers to the pyramid it seems like a difficult hierarchy to manage in shadow. Maybe not though...
ah well, was thinking of mammy nature's havok wreaking, but yea, more than enough hooman inflicted pain and suffering on terra firma
the spaceball's main imperial planet was a mess, couldn't breathe the air, hence, canned air. lol only o2 bars I know of in the states are in casinos, mainly to perpetuate gambling by the mammals.. an old tactic, if dangerous (poor apollo astronauts)
patience and money can move flesh, the flesh can move mountains... or the riddle of steel is: flesh is stronger than steel, if you're a john millius/early conan the barbarian fan
Right right! I wonder if all this mammy nature havok wrecking reckoning might not be intimately tied to our own inflictions though. Messing things up to the point it affects weather; atmosphere and all. We do have the tools to directly influence storms and such now too if we want to get conspiratorial about certain recent disasters...
Ah interesting! Not the same casino culture over here, I think we have a couple (probably more then - not well-researched) just in somewhat richer areas of the city. Small cafe-like abodes for a breath of fresh air.
Hmm! Only thing I remember about the old movies is Arnold being in them, but Millius... seen a lot of his directing work apparently. Don't recognize the quote but good one.
well, was told by the gypsy once dead lady, that the enviro co2 weirdness was past the point of no return at the start of wwii, soo, ye
any air free of micro particles, like diesel exhaust/soot, are fine by me
it's from the first conan flick the one w/ james earl jones boi
Ouch. :/ I hope that's not true, but maybe the 'point of no return' doesn't necessarily mean 'the point when humanity is doomed entirely more like there is still hope to better things yet even if it will definitely never be quite the same way it used to'...
Same. Micro plastics in the air like gray matter now too.
Gotta revisit it again. :) Revisited Cats / Dogs today. Not really how I remembered it but not bad. All movies really depicted things like a utopia just a couple decades back.
she meant co2 levels, but to be fair, would've happened anyway... i don't think we're ultimately responsible for the greater changes to the earth, mostly solar, linear/internal related, we're but mere specks in the terrarium
plastics are boon and bust, but best kept out of water and water, there is bacteria that will eat it but.. too much of a good thing and all that
yea 'adventures in utopia' was a mess of treatments/story ideas i made up around 1990, but, a true utopia has no view worthy conflicts lol... i did find a few ideas - nothing man does is perfect
Cats & Dogs, I mean. 2001. Mindless memory type reality escape now.
i quickly panned it, 2000 kinda put the death knell into movies and tv shows, though a few gems did glimmer before being snuffed... got a new post btw, though i wouldn't recommend the blogcast unless truly bored lol
Mmm, I feel like co2's overrated too, rising methane level seem like a way bigger problem. And prior near-extinction level events have supposedly been preceded by rising methane levels in particular, so those are maybe giving me most doomsday vibes, and they don't even mention this on the news... regarding co2 it seems possible that nature can balance itself out here, the more co2 the more plants, and the more plants the more oxygen. Even if our current main oxygen sources (like plankton) are disappearing I'm hopeful about that part of it all.
Yeah the plastic-eating bacteria gives hope too, but only works on particular types of plastic, and there's so many! As far as I know there's still nothing that can break down more dangerous synthetic compounds like Teflon. And micro plastics aren't just in Earth and Water, they're in Air too. If you live in a civilized part of the world you're probably breathing this stuff too. As usual it seems they're just trying to commercialize the environmental impacts thereof as much as possible too. We have taxes on plastic bags over here now. Shops are introducing paper bags for fruit and similar too. Yet most clothing's all plastic. Most packaging's plastic. Even paper packaging is usually lined with plastic. Haven't looked into what types are used there, if they're bio-degradable or not, but plastic use overall doesn't seem to be slowing down at all. Seems possible at least to get clothes in cotton/natural fiber but difficult. They seem to mix in a little plastic everywhere they can for durability/stretch, and all that gets washed, and leeches into the water with immense worldwide spread, and there we go... I don't think plastic packaging's the worse source at this point.
Oh? This 'adventures in utopia' available somewhere/used for something that is? Seems intriguing...
indeed, methane... like, shittons of it below the surface in the north pacific ocean... after the global tsunami, it (allegedly) gets 'accidentally' set off, lighting the ocean on fire, but, doesn't matter, as the mini-ice age sets in anyway.... yea there's an ebb/flow balance between co2 and o2, but it's offset by major planetary burying of said gaseous products, but that's long-haul stuff an old farmer like me can't fathom lol
sure, we've sure reorganized dead dino juice into many physical forms that befuddle nature, but there are natural bugs out there, waiting to feast and/or adapt to the bounty, such as it is. i agree, there's too much being made from ancient slurry - it can be practical, but is it moral or good in the long haul? gotta be some middle ground or equilibrium
lol neh, wrote it on paper/ancient apple floppy discs, lost track of the papers some time ago, and sure hope they're buried in my pre 1995 paperworks..... mighta burned them up by way of reinvention, but sorta doubt it, as they were kinda prescient, forward thinking, from a somehwat unique perspective and point in time. they were many concepts, culled from overthinking on many subjects, odd songs, whatever sparked my fictional exploration
Twasn't all bad though. :) It's nice to go back to those movies. The Home Alone ones stood the test of time pretty well. On route to the new...
the home alone movies were inventive on a gaff/gimmick level, but had decent structures, worthy of screenplay study
Btw feels like I'm saying a lot of stuff but not really providing any references on anything here. :P Just to link to something now: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/14/microplastics-found-at-profuse-levels-in-snow-from-arctic-to-alps-contamination
very true article, can only guess it's from ocean and burning. microparticles of dead dino are exceptionally bad for living things, diesel soot is a prime example, if a bit dated
Oh! Sounds like almost like a potential built-in defense system for the planet. Peeps start messing with the environment too much and naturally those deposits shift; civilization's expunged; all slowly goes back to normal... mmm, apparently they're making it so much worse when they both cut down trees and then plow up the Earth to plant new ones, instead of leaving the root systems/foundations intact. Takes a large quantity of younger trees to replace an old one as far as that co2 grounding thing goes. We really need at least a bit more careful deforestation tactics as to not disrupt that natural recycling process as much if we keep deforesting at all.
Mmm hope so. Nature may adapt but it may take too long for it to do so. Indeed. Wish we'd put more thought into the environmental effects of all materials a bit beforehand. As it is they just spout out new ones, then figure out they're no good, but already have new ones on route that probably won't be either a few years down the line. Like the 'Bionic Eco Finish' now being used everywhere as a replacement for the harmful pfos/pfoa thing they've been lining fabrics with to make them more water resistant. New ecological alternative's developed by the same chemical plants that made all the old shit... hope we find that middle ground eventually. Innovate to the point that we can actually develop sustainable materials AND make a profit. Or don't even need to make profits; replace our monetary system of incentives with something a bit less detrimental too. We really have the know-how now to make all of this old stuff obsolete, but it seems human brains are just too hardwired on the old ways to embrace any such change.
Ooh you have a habit of burning up old stuff to ignite the new? I somewhat envy those with the mindset to take those steps, but on the other hand... might be useful down the line. Overthinking spurs some wisdoms that too little thinking does not, though! Interesting to hear more of those ideas if ever they're to be uncovered or shared. :)
Mmm but no microplastics in diesel is there? Or are these particles really the same regardless of source, as long as it's an oil-based emission? Probably a lot of burning for sure, tires, plastic, heating plants without good enough filters... but I feel like a lot of it's probably the clothes we walk around with. Regular wear and tear. Goes right out in the air. A few billion clothing items grinding out minuscule bits of plastic on a daily basis all over. Well maybe construction's an even bigger culprit...
Regarding Home Alone: well-said. :) Considering your background it would be pretty interesting if ever leave started writing reviews. Assumably very different observations than what I'd get from dittos.
Cyberdevil
Ah Venice yes, forgot about that one! As for Holland though it's not so much them sinking as the water rising is it? Maybe I need to read up. Coastal areas do be sinking here and there. Too much excavation going on. Too much building. Weakened foundation all too close to water. Hmm! California actually sinking due to deep well water drilling?! That's crazy... does seem to be in a bit of a bad place these days, all that wildfire and all that lack of water, seems like a potential future desert just waiting to get started if people paradise...
Wonder if it'd heal up a bit if they get rid of all the farms.
VicariousE
Good question... idk man, but the local indians knew enough of the land to move and/or start fires for the above land, guess it comes down to reading the landscape, not being greedy. Will give em credit for hoarding water, but not for diverting too much natural water/rivers. If the Naturalists of old were around now, I'm sure they'd give CA (and a few other argi-business places) a good talking to.
Yea google earth mapped terra firma dropping around the areas they drilled, seems legit, if a bit dramatic.... 'has an effect on the landscape' as they used to say in western novels. Aquifers are not understood by elected officials or many others.... like in the central southern US states, where the underground water rights have been bought up by private interests. Lame, to know the land under your feet has been claimed for cheap by someone else reeeee